Jay Washington is one of the hardest working comedians in
Chicago today: He runs the Laughing Insanity show once a month at The Laugh Factory, he produces a live radio show and website called Educated Insanity every
Wednesday at 5PM Central, and he runs the open
mic at Riddles Comedy Club every Monday night. Jay also auditioned this year for the prestigious Just For Laughs, festival in Montreal, and just got
offered a part in Spike Lee’s latest film, Chirac.
On top of it all, Jay is a professional wrestler of 13 years. And most
importantly, he is a father of two children.
In this interview, Jay talks about what it is like to be a
professional wrestler, advice on the business of comedy, tips for having
the best JFL audition, and so much more. Enjoy!
WRESTLING
How did you get
into wrestling?
It used to be a secret society to learn how to become a
professional wrestler. You used to have to know somebody who was in it. Not
everybody knew about the business. There was no behind-the-scenes documentary
to pro-wrestling. But, I loved it as a kid and one of my good friends joined a
pro wrestling company back in 2000. He told me I should join with him, so I did
and I started training there. Eventually, I started going on the road with it.
And then, the rest is history.
Did you wrestle in
high school, and then transition into pro wrestling through that?
No. For me, I went to like ONE high school wrestling
practice—not even a match, just practice—and I was like, “Naa, I’m not about to
do this.” [laughs] There was something
more appealing about performing for a big crowd with professional wrestling.
What is your
wrestling stage name?
Trauma. In fact, I first started doing stand up under my
wrestling name, which lasted maybe 3 months. [laughs] Trauma couldn’t get work anywhere! [laughs]
WRESTLING vs COMEDY
How do you think
wrestling compares to comedy?
The businesses are the same. They parallel each other SO
much. Everything I see young comics going through now, I went through with
wrestling: Fighting for spots, trying to get known, wanting to headline the
main event, getting fans and followers. Also the bad things you have to deal
with: Janky promoters, people who don’t want to pay you, bad shows, performing
for only a few people when you expected a big turn out. The businesses are
exactly the same.
What about
wrestling as a craft? Is there a set list of moves that wrestlers abide by?
It’s so funny because people know about the business now.
They know that the matches are choreographed and predetermined. So yes, it’s
pretty much the same way in that you figure out what you’re gonna do. It’s a choreographed
dance that you train for. And, just like with your set list, you’re constantly
changing things around, taking things out, and adding things to it.
How do you balance
comedy, wrestling, acting, radio, AND being a dad?
It’s difficult. I have an 11 year old son and an 18 month
old daughter. My daughter is with me, and my son is in Indianapolis. It’s hard
juggling it. The hard part is you want to be just as influential in their lives
as you are to the lives of the people you entertain. I bust my behind in
everything I do—whether it’s stand up, wrestling, movies, acting, commercials,
whatever—in order to leave a legacy for my children. I want them to be like,
“That’s my dad! He worked hard so I can have this.” I want them to know how to
work hard and to be able to have a work ethic behind it.
How important is
the business aspect of comedy?
People always say, “I don’t wanna deal with the business
side!” But I think it’s good to get a jump on it to understand it. ‘Cause the
further you go, the more hectic it gets. And people will say, “I’ll just get an
accountant, or a manager, or an agent.” That’s fine, but if those people fall
short, you want to be able to know what’s going on.
People say the
business side is more important than being funny. What are your thoughts?
People like to think this business is all about the ‘funny’,
but unfortunately this is the ‘Entertainment’ industry. Funny is only 10% of this.
Talent is only 10% of this. The other 80% is, “How can somebody make money off
of you?” If somebody can’t make money off of you, they will not book you. That’s
it.
What comedy-business
advice do you have for comics?
Know that you are a brand, no matter what. Once you start
getting known and you start getting booked, people are knowing you for the
brand you have become. You have to protect that brand and that image. Remember
that, because if you get booked, it’s because of your brand and what you bring
to the stage. It’s all about knowing and building your brand, and making sure
your brand is marketable to others.
When writing
material, how do you know what your ‘brand’ even is?
That’s what comes with doing SO many open mics and finding
your voice. For instance, I don’t feel comfortable telling abortion jokes—no
knock to anybody who can, but I just don’t because it’s not for me. Know what
works and feels comfortable for you.
Do you censor
yourself when you write? For instance, do you write specifically for a
corporate gig, for a comedy club, for an urban room, etc?
There are plenty of types of shows that will censor you.
Further than corporate gigs, there are church shows that won’t let you say A
LOT of things. So, it’s more about being able to use your jokes in any avenue.
I’ll break it down like this: If I have a joke that I can use at a corporate
gig, a church gig, a mainstream club, an urban club, or a bar show, then I’m
good.
You recently
auditioned for JFL Montreal. What did you learn from that experience?
One of the biggest things I learned in terms of what they’re
looking for was, “Can your set translate over the border of the country?” Can
people in a different country get what you’re saying? Which means, I can’t do
South Side references or Red/Brown line references in Montreal, Canada because
they aren’t going to understand it.
What kind of
things did you feel you could talk about in your JFL audition set?
I can talk about me being a father, or the game ‘Double
Dare’, or the TV show Legends of the
Hidden Temple—‘cause everybody knows Nickelodeon. Things that relate
everywhere. For the audition, the set was most the important. You could destroy
the crowd, but if your material couldn’t translate, it wouldn’t mean anything.
Or, you could have a set that you thought bombed, but if the JFL people
thought, “This set will kill in Montreal!” then it’s a whole different
ballgame.
Is the goal of the
open mic to “kill it”?
I don’t think so. I am so against that statement. Because,
if you’re killing it at an open mic, 9 times out of 10, those mics are all
comics. Who am I impressing, besides a bunch of comics in the back? Sure, you
might open up some doors to local things, but that won’t work for you if you’re
trying to perform on the road.
How does a comic
even get to go on the road?
Somebody has to be able to see you and say, “I can take this
person on the road.” It all depends on who sees you and thinks, “This person
has potential.” Not only that, but for the more difficult situations it’s all
about, “What type of comic can I bring that’s able to deal with hecklers or a
hectic crowd?”
How long did it
take you to become a regular at Jokes & Notes?
Like, 3-4 years. It was one of the hardest spots to get
passed at when I first started. I was always scared of the Wednesday night.
It’s intimidating. I would bomb there religiously! [laughs] In fact, just overcoming that room was an accomplishment
for me.
How do you not
cater to the Jokes & Notes open mic audience even though they’re paying?
Here’s the thing: When I first started doing stand up, I
felt like I had to be just like the comics I saw on Def Jam or Comic View. But,
it wasn’t right for me. And part of overcoming the Wednesday night at Jokes
& Notes for me, was realizing that I just have to be me. Crowds are like
sharks. They can smell blood in the water. If you’re catering, they can sense
it no matter who you are. Just go up there and be yourself.
What advice do you
have for hosting?
There’s an art to hosting. You control the show. A host can
be just as important as a headliner. You start the show. You control the tempo
of the show. If you have a horrible start, whoever comes up next now has to
work super hard. But, if you have a good host, the next comic can just ride
that wave. You are responsible for making sure people enjoy that show. Also,
you need to remember that the show isn’t about the host. You GOTTA warm the
crowd up. That doesn’t mean going right into your set. You have to sacrifice
some of your time to get that crowd into the show.
What advice do you
have on doing crowd work?
I say if you’re not comfortable doing it, then don’t do it.
The problem comes when somebody says something that catches you off guard, and
you don’t know what to do. Because if you lose it, it’s hard to go back. If
you’re gonna talk to the crowd, make sure it’s in reference to a joke that
you’re doing. If you’re not comfortable, then don’t do it because otherwise
it’s awkward.
Final thoughts /
words of wisdom?
This is the entertainment business—don’t forget that it IS a
business. BUT...don’t discredit the talent part of it. Being funny is not an
overnight funny. Don’t just stay in your same comfort zone—get out. Make
yourself uncomfortable. Do a room you would never do—whether you fail or
not—just do it. Keep making yourself stronger on stage. Challenge yourself on
stage, try new things and take risks. If it doesn’t work, that’s okay—you grow
from bombing, you don’t grow from killing. I’ll leave you with a quote by Ralph
Waldo Emerson that I live my life by: “Do not go where the path may lead. Go
instead where there is no path, and leave a trail.”
Interviewed by David Gavri and Melissa Richelle / Written by David Gavri
Interviewed by David Gavri and Melissa Richelle / Written by David Gavri
David Gavri is a stand-up comedian, writer and founder of the online comedy sites Gonzo Fame and Comedy Scene in Houston.
Melissa Richelle is a writer, stand-up comedian, actress, and producer and member of the online sketch group Foul But Funny. You can catch her performing all around the Chicago-land area.
Melissa Richelle is a writer, stand-up comedian, actress, and producer and member of the online sketch group Foul But Funny. You can catch her performing all around the Chicago-land area.